Cisco Wireless :: 3500 / 3600 - Wireless Deployment In Warehouse
Aug 29, 2012
I am doing a predictive survey for a very large mixed environment facility.I have advised this customer that it would be best to have a professional site survey done and he understands but has requested I do a preliminary predictive survey and recommendation. This will have both open area manufacturing and also warehouse type areas with 18ft racks and cages, The actual ceiling height is approx. 30 ft. but the building steel I-Beams are at 18 ft and would be the mounting height of the AP. I already have several installs in other buildings with the exact same structure and setup using 1242 AP and AIR-ANT2465P-R and AIR-ANT5170P-R patch antennas mounted to a board, pointing down and at 18ft.
My question is: I would like to use either the 3500E or 3600E AP with diversity patch antennas (3600E & air-ant2566 for example) but see that Cisco also recommends the 2dbi stubby Omni dipoles in this type environment. I'd just like to get some opinions and thoughts on AP and antennas.
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Feb 8, 2013
Lost my access points to controller. Not sure if it was related to upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2, or something else.
The console log on APs shows;
*Mar 1 00:01:09.394: %CAPWAP-3-ERRORLOG: Go join a capwap controller
*Jan 1 10:24:23.000: %CAPWAP-5-DTLSREQSEND: DTLS connection request sent peer_ip: 142.100.64.8 peer_port: 5246
*Jan 1 10:24:23.424: %DTLS-5-ALERT: Received FATAL : Certificate unknown alert from 142.100.64.8
*Jan 1 10:24:23.424: %CAPWAP-3-ERRORLOG: Bad certificate alert received from peer.
*Jan 1 10:24:23.424: %DTLS-5-SEND_ALERT: Send FATAL : Close notify Alert to 142.100.64.8:5246
*Jan 1 10:24:23.424: %CAPWAP-3-ERRORLOG: Invalid event 38 & state 3 combination.
All 3500/3600 APs, had been in production for months.
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Sep 11, 2012
Can we enable ssh on 3500 /3600 APs along with use radius for login authentication? idea here is to that ssh will provide another method to access the AP for troubleshooting purposes.I know with autonomous mode APs this should not be an issue but not sure with lightweight APs.
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Sep 26, 2010
Currently have access points located throughout our warehouse that use the AIR ANT5160V-R antenna's from Cisco. These AP's are 25' in the air. However we have a lot of voice quality issues off of the 5Ghz band, we do no other services on this band as we keep data on the 2.4Ghz.This was all installed by a vendor but from what I am seeing on the documentation [URL] the cover is extremely poor for these antennas despite AP's everywhere. They cover side to side but aren't a well rounded AP at all.it seems like the AIR-ANT5145V-R would be better suited even though this is a warehouse.
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May 2, 2011
I have to set up a new wireless infrastructure on a large warehouse. I have a 5508 with 15 APs 802.11b/g so far.A new area of the warehouse (indoor) is ready to be used with new wifi devices and I want to isolated the legacy operation from the new one, because new wifi clients are very sensitive. So I have a few question:
- Can I use my existing WLC (5508)?.
- What is a good 802.11n AP model for this environment?.
- What antennas to use with 802.11n APs?
- Is there any restriction on the WLC I should keep in mind?
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Dec 23, 2012
We'd like to work with Motorola MC3190 a/b/g handheld scanners in our warehouse so we need WiFi connectivity there. The warehouse has concrete walls and is divided into two parts - loading bay 18m x 42m (59ft x 138ft) and main warehouse building 44m x 42m (144ft x 138ft). The loading bay is just a simple hangar with gates mostly open, temperature could be very low there, down to -20C, the right thing would be to install an external AP there but still I want to get along with the signal from the inside.
Some very basic site survey with the Cisco 1242AG ap shows that there is -70db signal at the loading bay from warehouse AP. What do you think about mounting the antenna at the loading bay and connect it to the AP inside the warehouse? The actual ceiling height is 8m (26ft) but the steel beams are 6m (20ft) from the floor and that will be the mounting height of the AP's. (I think it's rather high though). Storage racks are made of metal and are up to 7m (23ft) high. Stored materials are mostly different types of fiberglass cabling, polyethylene, steel cabling, steel wires, metal barrels.
The environment is very dynamic and it's rather hard to predict the actual RF situation so I'm trying to determine the worst case scenario. So I'd like to use 2504 wireless controller with five 3502e AP's with ANT-2422DW dipole antennas mounted at the ceiling beams in the warehouse at 6m height. My thought was to set scanners to work in b/g band (there will be several laptops there too). There is a little diagram attached below.Still think it's too high, and doubt about the antennas. Are there better choices for such a setup? Maybe with wall mounted antennas?
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Aug 1, 2012
I want to install a pair of 5508 to manage the whole wireless solution and I have a few questions regarding deployment, Please refer to the topology. The management and ap manager interfaces are conifgured with the same ip address range and thus the same vlan which is 10.160.254.X/24 also all the APs(1,2,3) in that building have the same IP address range for management which will be manually conifgured. The AP's (4 and 5) on the other building have another range of IP address for management and here is the first question. Will the AP's 4 and 5 join the WLC if I manually configure them to point to it? I know I can group interfaces and use them with the same SSID BUT the WLAN vlan in both sides are different and are separated by a router and hence the next question: Can this be done even if they are separated? and if I can, how is this possible, should I configure a dynamic interface in the WLC with an IP of that network even if it doesn't exists on that side? I'm kind of confused with this.
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Aug 9, 2011
Can I Deployed a wireless mesh w/o WCS? is it necessary? I have 5 1550 AP, WLC (12 AP license) and 1 Catalyst Switch. With all these can I Install a wireless mesh.
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Jun 4, 2013
I am busy setting up a wireless backhaul.. I have the bridge setup using 2 x 3602's ( Root / mesh) configuration. The bridge is self is up. The main idea is to get older autonomous access point (1231) connected to the ethernet and pull that back in to a temporary building. I have groupped the bridge to only have one SSID on it.
The switch port on the pwr inj4 is currently connected to a laptop - Ethernet Bridging is enabled on the mesh port. Now the laptop does get an ip form the dhcp server. This is where my issue comes in. I can ping the mesh ap's IP address, but not past it.
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Nov 27, 2012
My client would like to have a wireless deployment between several differented offices in the city. There is connectivity between the different sites...but my main issue is, is this option really feasible. I was thinking of a centralized WLC like the 2504 coz of price + 36 APs, 2 at each site. The main worry is the network setup considering the fact that the APs have to communicate with the WLC so unpredictable network issues i believe will have a very huge impact.
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Mar 12, 2013
We are planning to upgrade our current wireless access points (1200 series) to 3600 series. We would also like to add a wireless access controller to the design to centrally managed those Access Points.
Which Cisco Controller model support those 3600 APs efficiently?
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Apr 17, 2012
I have a new wireless configuration on a 5508 WLC. the controller is licensed for 12 AP's. I have plugged 8 AP's into the wireless vlan and 6 out of 8 come up with IP address and connect to the controller, broadcast two configured SSID's all seems good with them, but i have two AP's that do not get IP addresses. they are in the correct vlan i can plug a laptop into the group of ports in the val and get an IP address. So it seems to be just the AP's that don't. if i look at the consol of the AP it says: Waiting for PHY to auto negotiate . then it say timed out and continues to "boot with errors" then it continues to complain that it has no ip address. I have rebooted a few times and changed ports, and patch cables.
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Sep 28, 2012
I have a custom that needs to deploy a wireless solution, in attach plan, does not want a solution with WLAN controller.I proposed a solution with AIR-AP1024N-E-K9. What solution should implement in order to have a good coverage? Repeater, bridge point-to-point, point-to-multipoint, or something else ?
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Feb 12, 2012
I've been asked to implement a point to multipoint solution which I had never done before.My question is how many non roots can the root support?I am planning to use 1310 bride as root with a AIR-ANT24120 and non roots AP1242 with AIR-ANT2410Y-R they wont be longer than 1 km.
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Jul 1, 2012
I am having access point 1240AG and planning to deploy ISE as a exteral radius server. I would like to know how different authorization policy need to configure in AP/ISE. Whether I can use named ACL or VLANs (CoA) as a enforcement types without use of WLC. If yes then how?
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Jun 6, 2012
I am implementating wlc 2504 and 1520 ap,i installated wlc and ap are got registered. In WLC i changed parameter as RAP and MAP.
As per doucment i have to enable Zero touch configuration in bridging. But bridging option is not their in wlc, wlc is running on 7.0.220
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Mar 8, 2013
I have read in some documents that we should have one Ap for more or less 50 clients. But i also read for example in ap 2600 specs that it support maximum 200 connections per radio.So for example in a conference room (10mx5meter) for 150 users in theory can i have just on Ap2600 for web surfing or i should have 3?
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Mar 5, 2012
I got a few Cisco Aironet 3602i. The minimum WLC version to support these is 7.1.91.0. I am planning to upgrade to 7.2.103.0. The minimum WCS version to support these WAP is 7.0.220.0 and the next available 7.0.230.0. Checking the release notes for both of these WCS versions, there is no mention of support for WLC versions listed above.
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Am I missing something here ? What versions would be required on WCS and WLC to make all the three entities (WLC, WCS, WAP) inter-operable ?
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Jan 13, 2013
I currently work for an enterprise that want to deploy wireless network (6AP for now) and I'm the one who will manage and install it.I had initially planed to deploy Ubiquiti network because I've heard lot of good thing about them. But they did not wait me and bought (crappy?) HP access point (MSM410)
What do you think about HP wireless network ? They did not yet buy the access point controller and I'm not sure they want to buy one.I can't find any review on the HP solutions it looks like no one is using it.
Do you recommend me to continue with the HP solution and buy a HP controller or go with Ubiquiti and rebuy the access points (no so much expensive in comparison with the price of the HP controller alone)
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Jul 18, 2012
I am trying to config my wireless lan controller (WLC) 2106 to discover my new 3500 access points.I followed the example Cisco configuration doc.69719.I am using a Cisco 3760 switch to interconnect the AP and WLC.I set up DHCP in the switch. [code]
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Jul 1, 2012
The problem am having is that my Users can get to the internet on the LAN but cannot get to the internet thro the WLAN. Below is the cisco equipment used to setup the WLAN and LAN. I dont have any clue as to why users cnnot get to the internet from the WLAN except the LAN.
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CISCO CATALYST 2960-S
Part Number: WS-C2960S-24PS-L
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Part Number: CON-SNT-2960S2PS
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May 14, 2013
So I'm going to bridge two Cisco AP's 1260 and 3500, which have an 880 router on each side.
(Currently I have a VPN set-up through the internet for the two locations to communicate) (Naturally they are currently in different subnets) Will absolutely change this and set up as one subnet. There is VLANs setup on each router (same VLANs)
VLAN 1
And
VLAN 10
Everything is configured on the Routers and AP's for these VLANs (works flawlessly over the VPN).
So now since I’m going to get rid of the VPN and set-up a bridge with two AP's, will having same VLANs across both routers be a problem? Will VLANs work OK through the bridge?
Besides using (IP helper address DHCP-IP) command on the non-root bridge side router to forward DHCP requests to the root bridge side router, Also I want to be able to route internet traffic on the non-root bridge side through the WAN port, and only route LAN traffic through the bridge..
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May 4, 2012
We have couple of Cisco Aironet 3500 Series access points with the following P/N: "AIR-CAP3501E-A-K9", we have discovered that we need a wireless LAN controller to connect those new access points!, however, we do not have any wireless controller in our LAN.
We even tried to CLI through the console port but we could not set any static IP on it!, after reading on Cisco site we discover that this type of AP is called "Lightweight Access Point" LAP which handles all the management tasks to the controller!
So what shall we do! is it impossible to operate them without the controller?
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Feb 9, 2012
We have had several APs disassociating from our controllers. The alerts say, Message: Access Point 'AP-xxxxx' associated to controller '10.x.x.x' on port number '0'. Reason for association 'Dot11g Mode Change. I have read several posts that point out that you should have QoS implemented to prioritize the CAPWAP traffic. I'd like to know if someone has implemented QoS and whether it has been successful in stopping the APs from disassociating. And if it has been successful do you have any configuration examples for the ports attached to the AP and controller as well as the QoS configuration?
We have several sites with AP1142's and 3500's. We have 2 5508 controllers. We are broadcasting 2 SSIDs of which one is in HREAP mode and the other is in local mode. Each of our sites have MPLS circuits.
Here is an example I found on Cisco which I believe can be used for CAPWAP as long as you change the ports to 5246 & 5247 instead of 12222 & 12223.
Example Router Configurations #
This section contains router configuration examples to be used as guides when addressing CS6 remarking or LWAPP control traffic load.
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This example uses LWAPP APs on the 192.168.101.0/24 subnet, and two WLCs with ap-managers at 192.168.60.11, and 192.168.62.11. (code)
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Jul 20, 2011
Is Cisco WCS mandatory when deploying an outdoor enterprise mesh solution?If I am goin to use the 1552E purely as an outdoor access point ,do I really need the Cisco WCS?
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Oct 26, 2011
Does Cisco have an official number of how many AP541s are supported directly by a UC560? these are standalones and I know they are configured in a max of 10 to a cluster, but how many clusters can you have? We are looking at a hospital installation with one UC560 and 25 AP541s.
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Apr 12, 2012
We are starting to greatly increase our access point density throughout our floors and I am wondering if we are using the correct channel assignments. We are using LAP 1140's and 3500's. We have some locations that have have anywhere from 4 to 9 floors in one location. These are consecutive floors that have 8 to 11 APs per floor. There are also other businesses in these buildings that use wireless as well. We use 802.11a/n and 802.11b/g/n. Right now the channels are set to the default, (36, 40, 44, 48, 52, 56, 60, 64, 149, 153, 157, 161 for 802.11a) and (1, 6, 11 for 802.11b/g/n). I was wondering that since we are increasing our density whether we should enable other 802.11b/g/n channels outside of 1,6,11. I know the other channels can overlap but with correct placement I am wondering if it would improve our wireless coverage since we wouldn't have 8 to 11 APs fighting for only 3 channels. Any experience with enabling other 802.11b/g/n channels?
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Oct 18, 2012
Can you use a Cisco 3600 to do a P2P bridge? Using the MAP's ethernet port to connect to a remote LAN? On that remote LAN can you have lightweight APs that connect to a controller on the RAP side?
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May 7, 2012
This is one I am having a hard time finding an answer for. How many clients can a 3600 AP support? For 150 clients on one of these, what would the throughput be for each client?
If my calculations are correct, the device can deliver 420 Mbps, which gives each client roughly 2.8Mbps. Is this correct?
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Jun 25, 2012
if the mounting bracket for 3600 AP is the same as the 3500/1140/1040 mounting bracket? I'm suspecting it's not as you can get modules that fit onto the back of the 3600 APs.
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Jan 13, 2013
I am not having much luck getting it converted via normal ways.
It times outs on TFTP server when you hold the mode button (a 3500 is working fine doing the same thing).
I try the old school way of archive download-sw but it isn't fast enough before it re-dhcp's because it can't find a controller. "*Mar 1 01:17:51.123: %CAPWAP-3-DHCP_RENEW: Could not discover WLC using DHCP IP. Renewing DHCP IP..' Even if I set a static IP address.
Is there way to disable the join process while I upgrade the software? I guess fire up a controller for it to join. I hope I don't have to have a controller to convert these.
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Apr 6, 2012
how an AP 3500 get to be registered in a controller 5508??, so, i have seen a lot of information of wireles deployment guide but i haven't understood yet how the process or flow is for getting the AP to be registered in a controller 5508, what exactly basic configuration must be done in a controller for doing it?
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Dec 3, 2012
I am building a BOM for a customer and I need to present cheaper options than 3500 or 3600 APs. I thought of these two models but I don't know what models of antennas to pick.1602 is a 3X3 MIMO with 3 antenna connectors. How many 2.4 GHz and how many 5.8 GHz antennas should I pick for each radio?2602 is a 3X4 MIMO with 4 antenna connectors. In this case I suppose there are 2 connectors per radio.
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